Comments on: Build 88: Win32 Beta! http://blog.trillian.im/?p=395 Information and updates about Cerulean Studios and Trillian Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:03:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Trillian Astra Beta - Now with Skype support! | [blog.schreiter.info] http://blog.trillian.im/?p=395&cpage=3#comment-7295 Trillian Astra Beta - Now with Skype support! | [blog.schreiter.info] Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:41:35 +0000 http://blog.ceruleanstudios.com/?p=395#comment-7295 [...] Honestly, I was not that sure if some blog post like the one I wrote in last year’s December would have any impact on the Studios’ roadmap planning at all. But with Trillian Astra Beta build 88, Cerulean Studios announced Skype support. [...] [...] Honestly, I was not that sure if some blog post like the one I wrote in last year’s December would have any impact on the Studios’ roadmap planning at all. But with Trillian Astra Beta build 88, Cerulean Studios announced Skype support. [...]

]]> By: DiamondNRG http://blog.trillian.im/?p=395&cpage=3#comment-7231 DiamondNRG Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:13:49 +0000 http://blog.ceruleanstudios.com/?p=395#comment-7231 They called it as beta because beta means no more features. It is just that and only that. They don't have to follow the GBP as not all beta's are public. They called it as beta because beta means no more features. It is just that and only that. They don’t have to follow the GBP as not all beta’s are public.

]]> By: Guess Me http://blog.trillian.im/?p=395&cpage=3#comment-7225 Guess Me Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:35:20 +0000 http://blog.ceruleanstudios.com/?p=395#comment-7225 @ Diamond - That's precisely what I said & meant... Why did it have to be called as Beta, when it was not an open development ?? It should have continued with Alpha itself. The process would have been same but, only the name of the process would have stayed as Alpha. If it had to be named beta then, it had to be opened to public, as per the General Beta Protocol (GBP). @ Diamond – That’s precisely what I said & meant…

Why did it have to be called as Beta, when it was not an open development ??
It should have continued with Alpha itself.
The process would have been same but, only the name of the process would have stayed as Alpha.

If it had to be named beta then, it had to be opened to public, as per the General Beta Protocol (GBP).

]]> By: DiamondNRG http://blog.trillian.im/?p=395&cpage=3#comment-7203 DiamondNRG Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:17:25 +0000 http://blog.ceruleanstudios.com/?p=395#comment-7203 @ Guess Me ... You honestly have no idea how a closed beta works. The things you are comparing it to were open betas, which were done after closed testing. When Astra goes to open beta all the big bugs will already be gone. Beta testing is not something you do when there are no bugs left. Your point about collecting data from users is true but makes no sense in a feature locked program. Comparing Trillian to Yahoo is silly, their internal testing team is as big as the entire group of people testing Astra right now. That is why there are still so many bugs left. No matter what it means on other software.... here is what beta means on Trillian: " Beta " - A feature locked development state which 100% of the focus has now been put on fixing all bugs identified during the alpha period, and any new bugs that may arise. Writing a whole bunch of entries on this blog and arguing with people over the name is just silly, let it go. @ Guess Me …

You honestly have no idea how a closed beta works. The things you are comparing it to were open betas, which were done after closed testing. When Astra goes to open beta all the big bugs will already be gone. Beta testing is not something you do when there are no bugs left.

Your point about collecting data from users is true but makes no sense in a feature locked program. Comparing Trillian to Yahoo is silly, their internal testing team is as big as the entire group of people testing Astra right now. That is why there are still so many bugs left.

No matter what it means on other software…. here is what beta means on Trillian:

” Beta ” – A feature locked development state which 100% of the focus has now been put on fixing all bugs identified during the alpha period, and any new bugs that may arise.

Writing a whole bunch of entries on this blog and arguing with people over the name is just silly, let it go.

]]> By: Guess Me http://blog.trillian.im/?p=395&cpage=3#comment-7202 Guess Me Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:04:29 +0000 http://blog.ceruleanstudios.com/?p=395#comment-7202 @ agnostic - I meant the beta releases of most softwares or chat clients that are out to public are without bugs / with minimal bugs. A very good example of that is Yahoo messenger, which was in 9.0 beta stage for over 6 months. The main cause for releasing beta by software developers is nothing but collecting random usage data/stats from a wide range of users, who may or may not face bugs while using it. However, in this case of Astra, though it says Beta, it is not out to public for download & testing & hence, it is not into the suite of protocol that are followed by other developers (based on beta release). Therfore, I said that since there are still more bugs to be fixed in this Beta release (Build 88), it shouldn't have been named Beta & instead should have continued with Alpha stage for some more time. @ Matrix - As I wrote above, I didn't anticipate so many bugs to show up in this Beta release. It is very unlikely that a Beta release has so many bugs. @ agnostic – I meant the beta releases of most softwares or chat clients that are out to public are without bugs / with minimal bugs.
A very good example of that is Yahoo messenger, which was in 9.0 beta stage for over 6 months.

The main cause for releasing beta by software developers is nothing but collecting random usage data/stats from a wide range of users, who may or may not face bugs while using it.

However, in this case of Astra, though it says Beta, it is not out to public for download & testing & hence, it is not into the suite of protocol that are followed by other developers (based on beta release).

Therfore, I said that since there are still more bugs to be fixed in this Beta release (Build 88), it shouldn’t have been named Beta & instead should have continued with Alpha stage for some more time.

@ Matrix – As I wrote above, I didn’t anticipate so many bugs to show up in this Beta release.
It is very unlikely that a Beta release has so many bugs.

]]> By: Martix http://blog.trillian.im/?p=395&cpage=3#comment-7201 Martix Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:54:45 +0000 http://blog.ceruleanstudios.com/?p=395#comment-7201 First, everybody cries that beta phase should start immediately and now Guess Me says that it was too early and trilli wouln't yet have beta status? Sorry i can't understand. Will you ever be confident? (I know these sentence are absolutely NOT written in good english but I think it's clear, what I want to say) First, everybody cries that beta phase should start immediately and now Guess Me says that it was too early and trilli wouln’t yet have beta status?

Sorry i can’t understand.
Will you ever be confident?

(I know these sentence are absolutely NOT written in good english but I think it’s clear, what I want to say)

]]> By: littlebluepixle http://blog.trillian.im/?p=395&cpage=3#comment-7200 littlebluepixle Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:33:24 +0000 http://blog.ceruleanstudios.com/?p=395#comment-7200 I've been using this build for about a week now and I'm quite impressed. It's been well worth the wait. I’ve been using this build for about a week now and I’m quite impressed. It’s been well worth the wait.

]]> By: agnostic-stigmata http://blog.trillian.im/?p=395&cpage=3#comment-7198 agnostic-stigmata Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:25:05 +0000 http://blog.ceruleanstudios.com/?p=395#comment-7198 If beta phase is as you put it "hence, all errors/bugs should have been solved " then why have a beta phase ? If beta phase is as you put it “hence, all errors/bugs should have been solved ” then why have a beta phase ?

]]> By: KarmaGhost http://blog.trillian.im/?p=395&cpage=3#comment-7197 KarmaGhost Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:56:30 +0000 http://blog.ceruleanstudios.com/?p=395#comment-7197 Not really a "bug" per se, which is why I can't post it to bugzilla, but whenever I have a Trillian open when shutting down the program (be it a container window, a single conversation, the contact list window or a chat history window), I get a crash error. If I close all windows completely, including the contact list back to the system tray (i.e. not minimized to the task bar), and then exit from the system tray, it works fine. What is up with a crash error when I told it to shutdown? It's not crashing, it's closing! All in all, great job gang at CS. I was in the alpha group, all the bugs I found were fixed promptly. Now onto beta. Excellent. Not really a “bug” per se, which is why I can’t post it to bugzilla, but whenever I have a Trillian open when shutting down the program (be it a container window, a single conversation, the contact list window or a chat history window), I get a crash error. If I close all windows completely, including the contact list back to the system tray (i.e. not minimized to the task bar), and then exit from the system tray, it works fine.

What is up with a crash error when I told it to shutdown? It’s not crashing, it’s closing!

All in all, great job gang at CS. I was in the alpha group, all the bugs I found were fixed promptly. Now onto beta. Excellent.

]]> By: Guess Me http://blog.trillian.im/?p=395&cpage=3#comment-7194 Guess Me Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:01:29 +0000 http://blog.ceruleanstudios.com/?p=395#comment-7194 @ agnostic - Beta phase in most softwares are released to public & hence, all errors/bugs should have been solved to release it to the public (literally) or near to releasing to the public (in this case). Alpha phase is mainly used for identifying bugs & solving them for which we had a very intensive testing over 87 builds. @ agnostic –

Beta phase in most softwares are released to public & hence, all errors/bugs should have been solved to release it to the public (literally) or near to releasing to the public (in this case).

Alpha phase is mainly used for identifying bugs & solving them for which we had a very intensive testing over 87 builds.

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